Giant Robots Smashing Into Other Giant Robots

About the show

A podcast about the design, development, and business of great software. Each week thoughtbot's Chad Pytel (CEO) and Lindsey Christensen (CMO) are joined by the people who build and nurture the products we love.

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  • 307: Win in the Long Term (Mike McDerment)

    February 11th, 2019  |  34 mins 40 secs

    Mike McDerment, co-founder and CEO of FreshBooks, discusses reimagining the platform with a system-wide A-B test, experiences with scaling, the value of customer service, and the art/science of change.

  • 306: 306: Solving a Specific Problem (Ellen Chisa)

    February 4th, 2019  |  26 mins 45 secs

    Ellen Chisa, CEO and cofounder of Dark, discusses building a complete programming platform from scratch, the benefits of a private beta, and making programming more accessible.

  • 305: You're Never Done (Ben McRedmond)

    January 28th, 2019  |  28 mins 48 secs

    Ben McRedmond, CEO of Consider, discusses his time as Senior Director of Growth at Intercom, teases his plans for fixing email, and discusses the importance & difficulty of product validation.

  • 304: Intentional Soul-Searching (Natalie Nagele)

    January 21st, 2019  |  46 mins 5 secs

    Natalie Nagele, Co-founder and CEO of Wildbit, discusses product updates, operating with more meaning and purpose, user research, bootstrap vs VC funding, and experiments in productivity (like a 4-day work week, turning off Slack, and strategies for remote work).

  • 303: Building Something Special (Margaret McKenna)

    January 14th, 2019  |  28 mins 32 secs

    Margaret McKenna, Software Engineer at Devoted Health, discusses joining a team based on their mission, building systems from scratch, and evolution on a new, rapidly growing team.

  • 302: What Stage Are We In? (Sam Clemens)

    January 7th, 2019  |  40 mins 50 secs

    Sam Clemens, Partner at Accomplice VC, discusses utilizing his product experience to nurture new companies, advice for where businesses should focus in various stages of growth, what should really be in an MVP, and his feelings around leaving a company as it's founder.

  • 301: Projection & Prediction (Aatish Salvi)

    December 10th, 2018  |  39 mins 59 secs

    Aatish Salvi, CTO of Teikametrics, discusses building a service for 3rd party Amazon sellers using data science, being wary of pre-mature optimization, integrating data engineering research into the team, and working with Amazon as both a partner and a competitor.

  • 300: More Useable Information (Jennifer Lum)

    December 3rd, 2018  |  30 mins 56 secs

    Jennifer Lum, COO and co-founder of, discusses building a company and platform that transforms unstructured information into machine-readable data in real-time, avoiding biases in data collection, and evolving & defining company values as one's team grows.

  • 299: High-Touch (Millie Blackwell)

    November 26th, 2018  |  36 mins 42 secs

    Millie Blackwell, President & Co-founder of Showcase Workshop, discusses differences in business culture between California and New Zealand, pursuing tablets as a business tool early in the lifespan of the iPad, experimenting with SaaS pricing, and providing value to both enterprise buyers and end-users.

  • 298: Doing Right is Scalable (DJ Patil)

    November 15th, 2018  |  47 mins 10 secs

    DJ Patil, Head of Technology at Devoted Health, discusses his time as the U.S. Chief Data Scientist, scaling healthcare to meet modern data demands, and the process of architecting a health care company.

  • 297: Go Deep (David Kloba & Rob Meinhardt)

    November 6th, 2018  |  49 mins 31 secs

    David Kloba & Rob Meinhardt, Co-Founders of Furious Collective, discuss the mindset and methodology of their venture production studio, recount their adventures over the past year of growing FormKeep after having acquired it from thoughtbot, and offer advice to founders preparing to sell their product or company.

  • 296: Stay Close to Your Users (Andrew Bialecki)

    October 30th, 2018  |  52 mins 36 secs

    Andrew Bialecki, CEO of Klaviyo, discusses building systems to process and get insight from business' data, scaling personality and humanity to mass communication, and translating customer feedback into concrete product improvement. Plus, the debut of 'Ask thoughtbot'!

  • 295: Follow Your Passion (Jonathan Kim)

    October 24th, 2018  |  41 mins 41 secs

    Jonathan Kim, CEO of Appcues, discusses building better onboarding and personalization to apps, starting a company as a solo founder, lessons learned from his time in journalism, and core culture values.

  • 294: From a Place of Sharing (Chris Toomey)

    October 18th, 2018  |  30 mins 8 secs

    In this special crossover episode, Chad is joined by Chris Toomey, Development Director at thoughtbot and host of The Bike Shed podcast, to discuss the content, history, and the process of making Upcase, thoughtbot's online learning platform, FREE.

  • 293: Advertising as a Service (Sandra Richter)

    October 10th, 2018  |  44 mins 23 secs

    Sandra Richter, Co-founder and CEO of Soofa, talks about redefining the infrastructure of out of home advertising, purpose vs business motivation, and learning from setbacks.

  • 292: MVP-ing the Sales Process (Lindsey Christensen)

    October 2nd, 2018  |  47 mins 20 secs

    Lindsey Christensen, VP of Marketing at thoughtbot, discusses shaping thoughtbot's marketing strategy, team, and future.